OK, OK... I'm the one who got this...
eBay item no. 220597232411
Seller: tatteredjeans42 for DVS
Buyer: alchemist57
Price: $511.00
And this...
eBay item no. 220597237273
Seller: tatteredjeans42 for DVS
Buyer: alchemist57
Price: $697.88
Because, you might recall, pp 19-20 from this issue are two of my faaaaaavorite pages, evah... they are the ones that Dave and Ger did such a faaaaaaaaabulous job on, in these re-creations, which were among the last pre-split collaborations...
A re-creation of this page (mine-all-mine)... the first page of original comic art I ever bought, for $50, back in 1982:
not to mention the fate of that darn wickets-ball:
And page 20, too...
A re-creation of this page (mine-all-mine)... originally owned by Richard & Wendy Pini (dedication is written to them):
Not to mention these three pages... first appearance of the elf... and a scene depicted on the cover...
(mine-all-mine, koffkoff...sorry... I just got carried away...)
7 comments:
$700 bucks for a bloody traced photograph!!??
Mamma mia....
haha... why-oh-why did I know I was going to hear from you on this one, j(ay)?!?
I'm going to mostly disagree with you here... (and you know that I am no DVS apologist) because there is a long distance between the decisions made to produce that color piece and the oversimplification "bloody traced photograph."
You know I loves you, BC, but the only decision used in that piece was which page of Vogue to trace and the only distance was how far Dave had to reach to pull it off his shelf.
Simply compare the emotion, vividness and energy in _every_ other Fairy pose from that post.
IMO, etc etc
Perhaps "mostly degree" was an over-estimate, because I agree completely with the idea of the effect of this choice on composition - it looks like a collage of a pasted on image at 45 degrees that used to be vertical. I'm with you on that. It my ever-so-limited experience, though, the business of which lines to lay down, and in this case, laying down the color, still involves a lot of choices that I consider to be artistic and not mechanical. Start with that image and ask 10 people to use it to make an Elf, and I do not think you end up with 10 images that are even close.
I have a paper coming out in the "Journal of Advanced Academics" on convergent versus divergently designed assignments, and my own prior experience with art and science used to make me think that creative art was only ever divergent. I am not so sure after my experience in China, where learning how to replicate exactly (converge) on a motif (calligraphy, classic images such as 'good fortune fish') requires a certain type of non-trivial artistic discipline.
Would I prefer to see a little more of a liberal interpretation that could be derived from photo and/or life sources? Sure. From Rockwell to Ross (Alex), taking the source TOO literally never seems to be a problem, and things can end up looking more natural by a liberal dose of liberal interpretation. But - I still see artistry in this.
I think we also disagreed about the reference picture Gerhard used for the "CRAK" panel in that re-creation of page 19... maybe even for the re-creation, period.
Truth be told - I also REALLY like the elf sparkle effect on that piece, too!
Hmm, you’ve had some consistent spammers of late…damn shame.
>It my ever-so-limited experience, though, the business of which lines to lay down, and >in this case, laying down the color, still involves a lot of choices that I consider to be >artistic and not mechanical.
But, in my opinion and experience, it’s not much different than handing a colouring book (or a Marvel Try-Out book if we are talking about inking) to 10 different people; you’re going to get 10 different versions.
Narrow that down to 10 people that have some artistic skill(s) and your images are going to get a hell of a lot similar, although I’d hope most with stated slill(s) would refuse to do such a thing and already start embellishing…
> Start with that image and ask 10 >people to use it to make an Elf, >and I do not think you >end up >with 10 images that are even >close.
Give 10 different people the same ingredients and ask them to cook you a meal (hell, even follow the same recipe) and all 10 will be different.
Some may be inedible.
As for the Ger panel, it’s amazing. Although some time later when you posted the ref Ger used it seemed a direct trace. Something that would indeed change my opinion of it as an “amazing drawing”.
Rockwell I’m not a fan of, but some of his stuff has appeal and undoubtable artistic achievement.
Kindly give me a reminder email (and/or the link/PDF) when your article is published.
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